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S380 vs S385 Window Balance: How to Tell the Difference

The main difference between an S380-compatible and S385-compatible channel balance is the depth of the bottom shoe.

S380-compatible: approximately 1" shoe depth
S385-compatible: approximately 1-3/32" shoe depth

S380 vs S385 comparison

These two 1/2-inch non-tilt channel-balance configurations can look almost identical. They are commonly sold as Series 380-compatible and Series 385-compatible configurations. The shoe depth is the useful separating measurement.

Likely configurationBottom shoe depthWhat to verify
S380-compatibleAbout 1"Metal length, fittings, and stamp
S385-compatibleAbout 1-3/32"Metal length, fittings, and stamp

How to measure bottom shoe depth

Measure the bottom shoe from heel to toe, or front to back, with the shoe removed. Do not use the stamp as a substitute for this measurement.

Bottom shoe depth measurement schematic7/8" · 1"1-3/32" · 1-1/8"heel-to-toe / front-to-back depth
Compare the measured depth with the candidate configuration.

Why the stamp is not enough

A stamp such as 25 3 JR CALDWELL helps determine spring strength or calibration. It does not by itself identify the exact balance series. Two balances can share a stamp while using different fittings or shoe depths.

Example identification workflow

  1. Confirm the window is non-tilt and the channel is nominally 1/2 inch.
  2. Compare top and bottom fitting shapes.
  3. Measure the shoe depth carefully.
  4. Record the complete stamp and metal channel length.

Common mistake: choosing S380-compatible or S385-compatible from appearance alone. A small shoe-depth difference matters.

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Use the printable shoe-depth and fitting field reference to check both ends of the removed balance.

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